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Valentin Dimitrov
Valentin Dimitrov 4 цагийн өмнө
These types of videos are pure gold Linus.. oh and Anthony's build destroyed, I guess he is much more qualified :D
Derek Stinson
Derek Stinson 11 цагийн өмнө
Anthony should have got a second try too.
JD Gaming
JD Gaming 12 цагийн өмнө
upgrade the 2600 to a 1700 since you have 15$ more, also currently the 8400 is $199.99
Jasonoid
Jasonoid 14 цагийн өмнө
Hoping to see what Ryzen 3000 does to the CPU market. Bring more competition from Intel? Let's hope so!
The Automaticist
The Automaticist 14 цагийн өмнө
Can you redo this at around $1300 USD (about the value of the computer I built)
Deyvson Moutinho Caliman
Deyvson Moutinho Caliman 14 цагийн өмнө
I don't know how CPU performance are these days, but in Nvidia against AMD when they sell similar performance graphic boards, the AMD ones already come overclocked, they spend more energy and have higher temperatures. So if you overclock Nvidia you can go further, put more load into it, because it's harder to make it overheat. I thought it would be the same with CPUs, but it seems that AMD is really up to par with Intel nowadays, although I would like to see CPU temperatures in those tests, those temperatures should be the same because if Intel had a lower temperature it could be overclocked more.
megadeth22885
megadeth22885 15 цагийн өмнө
wtf is the "amd build" using a nvidia GPU?.. so this is just a CPU comparison then?
Chivokroy
Chivokroy 15 цагийн өмнө
Science done right: "It certainly wasn't what we were expecting, but we're going with it."
Jigsaw
Jigsaw 23 цагийн өмнө
Send me a gaming laptop and I'll draw an animal for you Linus.
DJJEZ1983
DJJEZ1983 Өдрийн өмнө
Amd is for broke peasants. Change my mind
مقاطع مترجمة
مقاطع مترجمة Өдрийн өмнө
Does he change the video Title !! weird
Nick Schafer
Nick Schafer Өдрийн өмнө
I feel they cheated on AMD here. They adjusted the intel specs for something that can't be overclocked(While improving specs and saving cost) when in the first place of the video that one of their requirements was it HAD to be an overclockable CPU.
Suleman Zaidi
Suleman Zaidi Өдрийн өмнө
isn't the i3-8350k better than the i5-8400? Much higher base clock, even when the 8400 goes into turbo and plus its cheaper
UgLiest_handsome
UgLiest_handsome Өдрийн өмнө
$1250 budget plz
Nathan Gamble
Nathan Gamble Өдрийн өмнө
Well, they've got to do the same with AMD vs nVidia now.
haloguy32375
haloguy32375 Өдрийн өмнө
the real question is, why cant linus hold expensive equipment without dropping it
Robert Therrien
Robert Therrien Өдрийн өмнө
When GPU are $1000. Then AMD processors are the best.
Paul Gariepy
Paul Gariepy Өдрийн өмнө
Linus you should do a AMD vs Intel reliability / compatibility shootout. One of the reasons I left AMD back in the Athlon days was the chipsets were buggy and the USB ports always seemed to have issues vs the Intel platforms. AKA which platform is more stable especially when we talk about AMD winning with overclocking.
Fredrik Lindlöf
Fredrik Lindlöf Өдрийн өмнө
Something not mentioned in the video is value over time, I.E upgradability. Would love to see a video where they make approximations of each parts viable lifetime, and show plausible current and future upgradepaths and what the value preposition becomes then.
fmalone03
fmalone03 Өдрийн өмнө
AMD also has a upgrade path. Intel regularly dumps support for current chipsets when they release a new CPU even though the performance gains are minimal and after a couple of years if you are looking for upgrades you will more than likely have to change your motherboard and CPU at once on Intel.
Anders Larsson
Anders Larsson Өдрийн өмнө
If it’s AMD vs Intel you have to go with an AMD GPU ;)
Pure Gameplay
Pure Gameplay Өдрийн өмнө
LOL american prices are seriously FUCKED. In Canada, I3 8350k is $320+ and the ryzen 5 2600 is $230, Come to Canada and you'll definitely see the price to performance that AMD has over swagtel. Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x shit all over the I3 and cost 30% less, its literally a no brainer. The real title of this video should be, "Why does everyone like to be shit on by Intel"
Pure Gameplay
Pure Gameplay Өдрийн өмнө
Its not the budget option, is the logical option. Thats like saying every bag other than gucci is just a budget bag, when in reality some shit is just overpriced swag trash.
DAVID L CARTER
DAVID L CARTER Өдрийн өмнө
I knew big man would win this challenge,,, can you guys do the same thing with a 5 gpu mining rig?? THAT WOULD BE COOL
DAVID L CARTER
DAVID L CARTER Өдрийн өмнө
I have no reason to change and I am sticking with AMD
DAVID L CARTER
DAVID L CARTER Өдрийн өмнө
llinus AMD is for smart people like me that want the best for my money ,,I build miners and I am glad I bought the right RX590 NITRO cards for my miners and they work great and I see Nvidia trying to keep up with the 200 to 250 usd cards and I am glad to see the MH/z clock listings recently
Manuel Jurado
Manuel Jurado Өдрийн өмнө
One of your best video ever!: Great content, fantastic presentation and awesome execution. Please do this comparison for at least a couple of budgets more.
Fran
Fran 2 өдрийн өмнө
6:32 You are using liquid cooling, which wasn't in none of the lists 🤦
AndreasRiborg
AndreasRiborg Өдрийн өмнө
I know right, lets see the overclocking in the actual budget case
Ashley Perkins
Ashley Perkins 2 өдрийн өмнө
so he cheated by putting a non amd graphics card in the amd build....
SanityDragon
SanityDragon 2 өдрийн өмнө
Productivity would also be interesting as i'm guessing the intel chip would win in premiere (quicksync) but the Ryzen chip would smash rendering? Nice video; worth a part 2 for productivity and then an all round balance?
Elbert Joseph Layco
Elbert Joseph Layco 2 өдрийн өмнө
For $750, i see there's a little bit of value difference. Will that increase/decrease based on the cost range like at $500 or even $1000?
furyp100
furyp100 2 өдрийн өмнө
I think it would be more reasonable to just compare motherboard and cpu prices since cases, psu, ram, and gpu doesn't matter for amd vs intel comparisons
Сука Блять
Сука Блять 2 өдрийн өмнө
So basically AMD is better no matter how you try to spin it. Just Linus is an intel-shill and can’t bring himself to outright admit that fact.
roddybrod
roddybrod 2 өдрийн өмнө
Really loved this video! I've got plenty of friends making commitments to PC Gaming and this is a great introduction to budgeting their systems out! I really would have wished that you mentioned something about an i7's value proposition for this budget as I feel like many people automatically jump to them.
Matthew Langley
Matthew Langley 2 өдрийн өмнө
Honestly AMD (right now the 2700x) at the just below top end gaming machine is the top pick IMHO. Especially if you're looking at 1440p or greater where the advantages of a 9700k or 9900k diminish greatly do to being GPU bound, and what does that cheaper price on the AMD get you? A serious upgrade to GPU. For example the 2700x is regularly $310, but it also goes down quite a bit by $10-$20 less, even more commonly you can get some killer combo deals on newegg with a great MB or RAM and get anywhere from $20-$50 off. Likewise you get a pretty good stock cooler with it, often compared to say a $40-$50 aftermarket cooler. The 9700k is $420 and no cooler. all this plus cheaper motherboard options (that you can also get at some great deals or combo deals) typically means you can net about $150-$200 savings going 2700x and the 9700k is only a minimal amount better on CPU bound games, usually at 1080p, and usually no faster at 1440p or greater. Likewise multicore is a toss up between the two, 16 vs 8 threads in the AMD camp nets you some wins in some cases, while the 9700k with equal cores and higher clockspeeds nets you in some others. That $200 or so dollars will add a massive amount to your gaming results if applied either towards a GPU, a good monitor, or honestly to something else. Again 1440p you lost a couple FPS (and maybe none at all) but getter more FPS in GPU, higher refresh or better image quality in a better monitor, or maybe something like a better keyboard, mouse, headset, better chair, desk, faster drives, more high speed drives so you install less etc. Honestly unless you are either beyond having a budget at all (even if you have deep pockets) or you just need to get to that 240 fps in 1080p games (say an aspiring FPS pro or something) it just doesn't make sense, the price difference for the limited gain is just too much. There are countless ways to improve your gaming experience even if you've been dropping it like it's hot on components. Even then you can take that extra money that won't really benefit you much and spend them on games or software if nothing else. My wife and I got a set of 1080 tis for our gaming rigs last year (and for context I'm running a caselabs case so don't mind spending extra money for the quality)... this year when we upgrade CPU we could have dropped more on a 9700k or even a 9900k, but I just couldn't justify it. It really just doesn't add up unless we basically had an almost unlimited budget for our rigs and all of our gaming equipment and games. Just my opinion though.
Gerrard Harvey
Gerrard Harvey 2 өдрийн өмнө
+Linus random question: why do I get the Video_scheduler_internal_error BSOD and how do I fix it? After all I tried it appears it is related to graphics card driver or hardware but I'm not sure which. I don't have a second gfx card to test. I do know that with the gfx driver completely removed using DDU, it doesn't crash. But as soon as Windows update auto installs the driver, it crashes.
Nazar Andriyuk
Nazar Andriyuk 2 өдрийн өмнө
1500 price point
EagleClaw1842
EagleClaw1842 2 өдрийн өмнө
i feel bad for that chair
Cbeddoe19
Cbeddoe19 2 өдрийн өмнө
Because its way cheaper and you can upgrade old motherboards with new processors. Or you can buy older products for dirt friggin cheap. That little performance penalty isn't worth 2-3x the money for most people
Bryce Stewart
Bryce Stewart 2 өдрийн өмнө
$750 for a gaming rig, don't thing so. A grand or two for sure!!!
LittleDooKidle
LittleDooKidle 2 өдрийн өмнө
Poor people? Im still using the FX 8350
Nicholas Ebbing
Nicholas Ebbing 2 өдрийн өмнө
I still remember Luke, man. I do like the new people though.
Unicorn Diarrhea
Unicorn Diarrhea 2 өдрийн өмнө
More videos with Anthony! I like that guy.
Farva
Farva 2 өдрийн өмнө
AMD always
Daniel Pérez
Daniel Pérez 2 өдрийн өмнө
This was easy more informative and interesting than I was expecting! Thanks for this!
ared18t
ared18t 2 өдрийн өмнө
Hey it's the Linux guy. :D
The TNTsheep
The TNTsheep 2 өдрийн өмнө
An important thing to consider for budget gamers is that AM4 will be compatible with new CPUs for the foreseeable future, while the Intel chipsets can be expected to run away before you can say 'WAIITTTTT!..."
Nathan Gamble
Nathan Gamble Өдрийн өмнө
"AM4 will be compatible with new CPUs for the foreseeable future" Next generation (Zen 2) yes, but beyond that probably not, outside of the low-end.
rx10
rx10 2 өдрийн өмнө
2:23 I hope his health is a concern of LMG. He clearly needs help
oddeda
oddeda 2 өдрийн өмнө
I was thinking AMD would be much better. To tell you the truth, for lees than 2% performance, I would not OC and stick to Intel with its better stability.
Ri so pia
Ri so pia 2 өдрийн өмнө
Wait for ryzen 2
MrDeathknight1
MrDeathknight1 2 өдрийн өмнө
I've been looking at lap tops for a few games for under 450 and then at 300 pounds which had been intresting refebs the way to go on 300 pound budget but new amd was the way at 450 2500u and on board gpu blasts Intel for game performance from what I can tell on reading on line
James Neave
James Neave 2 өдрийн өмнө
Also, it kinda shows that CPU is largely irrelevant outside of workstation loads.
James Neave
James Neave 2 өдрийн өмнө
But... With the standardisation of 8 cores on the major console platforms, have engines and games been optimized for 8 threads or cores? In stock case, AMD would have a clear advantage.
Dunix 16
Dunix 16 2 өдрийн өмнө
I have a i5 8400 its very good
Chaosbud Gaming
Chaosbud Gaming 2 өдрийн өмнө
I have the 8400 with a 1060 6gb and have been so far very happy with my performance. Figure by Christmas I'll try to do some upgrades
gr82bAnAUTiger
gr82bAnAUTiger 2 өдрийн өмнө
Personally I think it's silly to hold yourself to such a tight budget on something like a PC purchase which should last you 3-5 years especially on the CPU side. An 8700k vs 2700x build is a lot more interesting to me, as they should be fairly similar in prices. The 8700k would win in gaming and the 2700x in productivity while the 8700k system would be about $75-$100 more for the processor (if you can get it at $330 which it goes on sale for all the time) and overclocking board, over 3 years that's like $2.50-$3.00 a month difference. I would also advise a SSD at minimum for boot drive with your primary game on it to reduce texture load times and give a much better experience.
TJ Max
TJ Max 2 өдрийн өмнө
Fun thing. Here in Europe (Serbia) 2060 is around 500$ so this doesn't do us any good lol
Razorize
Razorize 2 өдрийн өмнө
now stream with the same systems and you will easily be able to stream better with amd than intel
Nikola Miladinovic
Nikola Miladinovic 3 өдрийн өмнө
You are so miserable with these f*****g commercials, just like every other channel
Beep
Beep 3 өдрийн өмнө
I also had the budget of 750. But i have to buy monitor, cpu case and keyboard and mouse in that budget.
Aye Mossum
Aye Mossum Өдрийн өмнө
I took my time and bought everything on sale and/or with rebates. My final cost on my PC (no monitor/keyboard/mouse) Ryzen 5 2600, 16GB 3000MHz RAM, RX 570 8GB, B450 mobo, Intel 660p 1TB NVMe SSD, $620. Took me about 4-6 months to build though....
Richardo Otros
Richardo Otros 3 өдрийн өмнө
What laptop is Antoni using?
Gameplay and Talk
Gameplay and Talk 3 өдрийн өмнө
This was a fun concept. I was honestly surprised both came out so even, roughly. I'd definitely like to see future videos comparing other price points.
Finchnz
Finchnz 3 өдрийн өмнө
This was really good, I am still running a 4970k and its good to see where each team is going in regards to a setup that is middle of the road.
Bound4Earth
Bound4Earth 3 өдрийн өмнө
Rosewill PSU, HAHA.
Excellion123
Excellion123 3 өдрийн өмнө
Vega56 would have been a much better choice than rtx 2060
F0110W3R '
F0110W3R ' 3 өдрийн өмнө
FX processors anyone! Yeah, it's kinda sad I switched to a Ryzen 5 1500x when it came out. I discount on it from Newegg, so it was cheaper than Intel's current offerings. Once I got that I just slapped it into a cheap b350 and I was good to go!
T A
T A 3 өдрийн өмнө
Linus, please can you include European pricing next time? Thank you.
Luke Borg
Luke Borg 3 өдрийн өмнө
because of AMD"s advertising... you can have an athlon 3000 CPU that runs LIKE 3.0GHZ! (in reality it's 1.4ghz).... i hate AMD< always have
Pwnpie
Pwnpie 3 өдрийн өмнө
for the first time in my life i am ready to make a gaming PC, have a budget of $1500 but its giving me a damn headache trying to figure what to get, everyone i ask have different opinions. oh god
King of Gamers
King of Gamers 3 өдрийн өмнө
What about a 3000 dollar limit
King of Gamers
King of Gamers 3 өдрийн өмнө
The i9 9980xe was worth it
King of Gamers
King of Gamers 3 өдрийн өмнө
I bought a 2000 dollar cpu worth it i9
Vern Haynes
Vern Haynes 3 өдрийн өмнө
Here is something to think about...Without AMD to keep it honest, how much would an 8400k cost? Competition keeps the tech advancing, keeps prices low, and ensures a constant stream of new/faster tech.
Luda Pecurka
Luda Pecurka 3 өдрийн өмнө
Soon to be for top of the top end gaming systems ;)
RiftMull ‘
RiftMull ‘ 3 өдрийн өмнө
anthony picked my motherboard on his first build lol
jodaneidajo
jodaneidajo 3 өдрийн өмнө
AMD won a Google gaming deal now, stock is soaring
Silverhawk Shayhan
Silverhawk Shayhan 3 өдрийн өмнө
I would like to see some comparisons between low PC hardware to high end server hardware for media servers, like plex or emby with all the features enabled to how different types of hardware effects performance of the software.
GMBlazey
GMBlazey 3 өдрийн өмнө
1050ti i5 3340 8gb ram £250 maxed anything ive ran
Ri so pia
Ri so pia 2 өдрийн өмнө
30 fps noob
Zapablast05
Zapablast05 3 өдрийн өмнө
Lol AMD for poor people? What a blindsided dolt. I'll take AMD and put the money savings towards a more exciting hobby, like track days.
Carys Kelly
Carys Kelly 3 өдрийн өмнө
Can you help me build my own pc, please. I don't think you have ever done one with an older girl gamer. I am 11 almost 12, and I want to get into the world of pc gaming!
Victor Ov
Victor Ov 3 өдрийн өмнө
Would be good to see some productivity and stream benchmarks not just "gaming"/
Simon Verdinek
Simon Verdinek 2 өдрийн өмнө
Yeah .. sponsored by Intel and nVidia? Very unlikley to see those results here.
Victor Ov
Victor Ov 3 өдрийн өмнө
Loool AMD is for poor people.
Alparslan Kopuz
Alparslan Kopuz 3 өдрийн өмнө
İ like the see more of this
plonk420
plonk420 4 өдрийн өмнө
one thing as a grown up, i don't skimp on PSU like i did as a "kid," not even for budget builds... at the VERY least a Seasonic Bronze
Hoàng Nam Nguyễn
Hoàng Nam Nguyễn 4 өдрийн өмнө
Question: Why Intel CPU and B360 only support Ram 2666, but you can put 3000???
The Legacy
The Legacy 4 өдрийн өмнө
Could you do an update on this video which includes productivity numbers? Considering amd's proficiency with the number of course, it would be very interesting to see.
Shorne Pubique
Shorne Pubique 4 өдрийн өмнө
they should make Anthony the Oracle. "we need to visit the oracle." then they tap the mirrort and Anthony appears and he says "thisss bettter be goooood" like the wizard of oz. and then they're like blah blah blah can you help us... and then he speaks in riddle and they have to decipher what he's saying and then before he fades away he does the tap head meme and leaves.
Tony Torres
Tony Torres 4 өдрийн өмнө
i dont see the appeal in budget "pc" gaming if you aren't aiming for at least 144fps/144hz just stick to console low budget computer hurt my eyes
Russell Winters
Russell Winters 4 өдрийн өмнө
Remember Athlon XP Barton cores? Pepperidge farm remembers.
1 WithTheDark
1 WithTheDark 4 өдрийн өмнө
What about a mid ranged 1200-1500 dollar pc builds between intel and amd? wonder if it would stay around the same or will one come out on top?
Dirk Snyder
Dirk Snyder 4 өдрийн өмнө
I would have liked to see how those systems differed in productivity workloads. I supect the AMD system would have blown the Intel system away in applications like video editing, simply because of the higher thread count.
SORAW441
SORAW441 4 өдрийн өмнө
Nah, not really. Using Ryzen 2600X and a 1080Ti Mini no problem with a Gigabyte b450i, SP 512GB SsD, 16gigs of 3200 c14 DDR4 and Windows 10 LTSC 1809. I hate elitists who constantly act like having the absolute best is the only thing or GTFO. It’s not 1999 anymore. I agree AMD GPUs are buggy but I’m not complaining about FPS or latency on my CPU. Mistrust over buggy releases is hard to wipe off but I’m pretty sure AMD rocks now.
David Wesson
David Wesson 4 өдрийн өмнө
I really enjoyed this video! I would love to see another future video with an even lower budget, say $500, that may or may not be overclockable / for premium gaming purposes.
Jokery
Jokery 4 өдрийн өмнө
only reason intel better performs because focused on single core performance which most games use but when multicore AI in games will be a thing will be mind blowing and intel will die
john paul de paz
john paul de paz 4 өдрийн өмнө
i know linus is a very reliable..
john paul de paz
john paul de paz 4 өдрийн өмнө
what about the power consumption in idle mode or vice on its very peak demand
IQ DESTRUCTOR
IQ DESTRUCTOR 4 өдрийн өмнө
IM UPSET - miles teller, probably
EliteMetrics Playz
EliteMetrics Playz 4 өдрийн өмнө
Can you do rtx vs gtx
Israel Lewis
Israel Lewis 4 өдрийн өмнө
Nice to see Linus using an HP Envy ;)
Matt D.
Matt D. 4 өдрийн өмнө
I'm about to build a rig with a $2000 budget, so it would great to see how Linus and Anthony would do it. I'm new to PC building and driving myself crazy trying to figure out value vs performance....
Arkhein
Arkhein 4 өдрийн өмнө
You forgot to mention upgrading. You can keep your b AMD mobo up to 2020 (if I'm not mistaken) and use their entire mainstream CPU lineup. Intel on the other hand makes you switch your mobo for the high end ones to be able to enjoy more performance from an OCed CPU.
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